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The Sentinels featured characters from Robotech, why can’t Shadow Chronicles?
Posted: 19 February 2006 11:55 PM  
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Everyone is saying that HG had to totally redesign characters from Robotech to include them in TSC, because of legal issues in Japan concerning the original anime source material. 

For example, the Prelude comic had to establish that Rick now has gray hair and a stupid-looking scar on his face, so he would look nothing like Hikaru in TSC.

The Prelude comic didn’t even give us a good face shot of Minmei.

The main TSC cast doesn’t include any of our favorite characters from Robotech.  Speculation says that HG had to develop new characters because legal issues forbade them from using original characters, despite the fact that most fans want to see original cast members.

My question is why were they allowed to use these characters for the Sentinels?  The Sentinels had everyone in it from all 3 generations!  Was this the real reason it was cancelled?

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:07 AM   [ # 1 ]  
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The main TSC cast doesn’t include any of our favorite characters from Robotech. Speculation says that HG had to develop new characters because legal issues forbade them from using original characters, despite the fact that most fans want to see original cast members.

No, if that’s true, then Louie Nichols, Rick Hunter, Scott Bernard, and Marlene wouldn’t have roles in The Shadow Chronicles. That’s a pretty large number of characters from the original series. The reason why they don’t have characters like Lisa return because the characters would have too much of the same voices, ie Lisa and Marlene.

My question is why were they allowed to use these characters for the Sentinels? The Sentinels had everyone in it from all 3 generations! Was this the real reason it was cancelled?

No, it’s because of lack of interest from the sponsors. Also the lawsuit that happened between Harmony Gold and Big West didn’t happen until a decade later.

With the animes Southern Cross, and Mospeada, Harmony Gold doesn’t have any disputes with, it’s only with Big West, the parent company of Macross, therefore they would redesign the Macross saga characters only.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:15 AM   [ # 2 ]  
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My question is why were they allowed to use these characters for the Sentinels?

I’m not sure what you mean. They were redesigned for the Sentinels. In fact, I thought I remember reading somewhere that the new TSC designs are meant to look more like the Sentinels designs aged. (I might be wrong about that).

The Sentinels had everyone in it from all 3 generations

Yes, but let’s remember the only real important ones are the Macross characters in terms of who’s important to the Japanese.  They couldn’t care less about Stig(Scott) or Jeanne(Dana) but Hikaru, Misa, Maximillion had to be altered. If you watch the Sentinels featuer with the Macek commentary, I believe he mentions about how the Japanese studio were relunctant to animate those particular characters. And when you look at them, I mean you can see that Max looks very different from before.

All I can say is that frankly, I don’t think it’s that important that Rick, Lisa…ext. look like the way the did originally.

Rick Hunter is a whole character, an original entity in his own right. We, as Robotech fans, love RICK HUNTER not “the American Hikaru”. 

I think the more Robotech distances itself from Macross, the better. That’s why I’m fine with the new look of the characters. We need to see more and more original designs (characters or mecha) that are PURE Robotech. I think when Robotech stops borrowing from other anime and is completely it’s own thing, Robotech will earn more respect. Just my thoughts.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:18 AM   [ # 3 ]  
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Theories like these are so full of holes.

I never said I had theories.  I only have questions.  Maybe you’re full of holes.

No, if that’s true, then Louie Nichols, Rick Hunter, Scott Bernard, and Marlene wouldn’t have roles in The Shadow Chronicles. That’s a pretty large number of characters from the original series. The reason why they don’t have characters like Lisa return because the characters would have too much of the same voices, ie Lisa and Marlene.

That’s a weak reason, or “theory”, for not including a character like Lisa.  If Lisa was not important to the plot of TSC, then that would be a good reason to not include her.  But, if there was a better plot that did require Lisa, then that would be an excellent reason to recast her role.

No, it’s because of lack of interest from the sponsors. Also the lawsuit that happened between Harmony Gold and Big West didn’t happen until a decade later.

With the animes Southern Cross, and Mospeada, Harmony Gold doesn’t have any disputes with, it’s only with Big West, the parent company of Macross, therefore they would redesign the Macross saga characters only.

Tell us something we dont’ know.  Lawsuit or no, I can imagine HG’s reasons for redesigning the characters from Macross. D:

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:23 AM   [ # 4 ]  
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They were redesigned for the Sentinels. In fact, I thought I remember reading somewhere that the new TSC designs are meant to look more like the Sentinels designs aged. (I might be wrong about that).

Yeah, they were redesigned for the Sentinels, but at least you could tell who was who.  But for TSC, HG blatantly, by way of Prelude, redesigned Macross characters for the obvious purpose of making sure they didn’t look anything like anyone from Macross.

I think the more Robotech distances itself from Macross, the better. That’s why I’m fine with the new look of the characters. We need to see more and more original designs (characters or mecha) that are PURE Robotech. I think when Robotech stops borrowing from other anime and is completely it’s own thing, Robotech will earn more respect. Just my thoughts.

I agree with you that RT should have its own characters.  But, from a fanboy perspective, it’s just natural to want to know what happens to our favorites from the original series.  D:

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:27 AM   [ # 5 ]  
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That’s a weak reason, or “theory”, for not including a character like Lisa. If Lisa was not important to the plot of TSC, then that would be a good reason to not include her. But, if there was a better plot that did require Lisa, then that would be an excellent reason to recast her role.

Marlene probably has a larger role than Lisa does when it comes to finding the SDF-3, perhaps in contacting the Regis to help in fighting the new enemy. Before you go “But, how can Marlene be more important than Lisa?” Well, for one thing Marlene is an Invid, one of the Regis’s “children”, and would you think that she’s going to want to listen to a human? But, the idea of recasting Lisa is laughable, it’s like recasting for Dr. McCoy for a new Star Trek series, when you recast a popular character, it has a higher chance of failing.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:31 AM   [ # 6 ]  
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Marlene probably has a larger role than Lisa does when it comes to finding the SDF-3, perhaps in contacting the Regis to help in fighting the new enemy. Before you go “But, how can Marlene be more important than Lisa?” Well, for one thing Marlene is an Invid, one of the Regis’s “children”, and would you think that she’s going to want to listen to a human? But, the idea of recasting Lisa is laughable, it’s like recasting for Dr. McCoy for a new Star Trek series, when you recast a popular character, it has a higher chance of failing.

I doubt that HG purposefully wrote Lisa out of the script because Marlene was more important to the plot.  Besides, the voice actress for Lisa will be playing Marlene Rush, NOT Ariel.  The voice actress for Ariel was recast for TSC.  Marlene Rush will apparently appear in a flashback.  Get your arguments straight. D:

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:39 AM   [ # 7 ]  
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Marlene probably has a larger role than Lisa does when it comes to finding the SDF-3, perhaps in contacting the Regis to help in fighting the new enemy

Sound reasoning, Meyo. The only problem is that Melenie McQueen(voic of Lisa and Marlene/Ariel) is only doing human/dead Marlene….NOT living,Invid Ariel/Marlene in TSC. But your logic still holds up because at Robocon20 Melenie did say that Lisa will be in the follow up to TSC.  Sense it looks like Ariel is basically a major, prime character, it wouldn’t do good to have Melenie do both characters at the same time. Especially if they have conversations with each other. And she really didn’t try to make them sound any different in the original Robotech.  It’d be like having Gloval talk to Leonard. (Both Greg Finney) But then again, at least Greg made Leonard sound very distinct from Gloval.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 12:43 AM   [ # 8 ]  
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But, from a fanboy perspective, it’s just natural to want to know what happens to our favorites from the original series

Oh sure, I hear you. But the thing is we ARE going to know what happens. However, based on what Melenie McQueen has told us, it sounds as though we’re not going to know right away. (I think that only makes sense). 

But that will probably prove to be a better story if they keep the suspense up for a little while. It will keep our interest.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 01:16 AM   [ # 9 ]  
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Melenie did say that Lisa will be in the follow up to TSC

Are you saying they already have plans for a follow-up to Shadow Chronicles?  Man, if Shadow Chronicles fails I hope they at least release a book that lets us no what the rest of the story would be.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 01:31 AM   [ # 10 ]  
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Are you saying they already have plans for a follow-up to Shadow Chronicles?

Sure. That’s not news. The HG staff at every Robotech panel at every con I’ve been to have openly stated that they intend Robotech go on indefinently. Why not? The more RT sequels, the more RT licensed toys, games, comics, CD soundtracks, DVD re-releases, Special Edition DVD re-re-releases, breakfeast cereals, pimple cream and so on and on….

IOW, MORE MONEY FOR HG!!!!! Yay!!!!

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Posted: 20 February 2006 01:35 AM   [ # 11 ]  
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We all know they have plans for that because we geeks have pimples all over our faces.  wink

So, the Marlene in the trailer is actually the dead Marlene? I thought that the human Marlene had brown hair, rather than the red the Invid Marlene has.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 01:39 AM   [ # 12 ]  
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So, the Marlene in the trailer is actually the dead Marlene? I thought that the human Marlene had brown hair, rather than the red the Invid Marlene has

No I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure that’s Ariel. I mean if we know that human Marlene is dead, it must be a flashback or something that Melenie McQueen does.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 02:07 AM   [ # 13 ]  
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No I don’t think so. I’m pretty sure that’s Ariel. I mean if we know that human Marlene is dead, it must be a flashback or something that Melenie McQueen does.

Yeah, but what was the purpose of having Ariel in the trailer if she’s not going to be a part of the movie? To confuse the hell out of us? Perhaps they’re trying to mislead us again.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 02:36 AM   [ # 14 ]  
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Yeah, but what was the purpose of having Ariel in the trailer if she’s not going to be a part of the movie

I’m sorry, I think you’re misunderstanding me. I’m saying that Ariel  IS in The Shadow Chronicles for certain. We know this. Like you said, she’s in the trailer and not to mention Darkwater’s site lists her as a major character. I’m saying it’s Marlene(as in Scott’s dead, human girlfriend) who’s not really in it.

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Posted: 20 February 2006 03:00 AM   [ # 15 ]  
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So, they’re just changing the voices? Sorry, just a little confused from lack of sleep.

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