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Which modern day fighter would you take into a fight againt a veritech
Posted: 18 February 2006 01:06 PM  
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If I had to I would choose a F-14 for it’s ulta long stand off capabilities.  The Pheonix missle system would give the best chance for survival. Of course the veritech would always win, but just wondered which other planes people would press there luck with and why.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 01:15 PM   [ # 1 ]  
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The Pheonix missle system would give the best chance for survival.

AIM-54 Phoenix is a missile optimised to take out relatively unmanouverable bombers at long range. I’ts capability against manouvering fighters is suspect to say the least.

Note for example that Phoenix has been phased out of service and been replaced with AIM-120 AMRAAM, which has a far better Pk against evading fighters ... and a fraction of AIM-54’s range.

The fighter that can shoot down a VT is the one that the VT doesn’t notice until it launches at least and preferably not until the shot hits.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 03:51 PM   [ # 2 ]  
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...... an F-15E Strike Eagle. Sad, I love the Falcon , but I need more missiles!!!!!

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Posted: 18 February 2006 03:54 PM   [ # 3 ]  
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....... A Sopwith , or a Jenny with one or two Sidewinders. Too slow to be seen as a combat aircraft, might not really get noticed, fire off both them issiles once I get a lock, and bail out (of my now structurally comprised plane)... Randy Quiad eat yer’ heart out!!!!!

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Posted: 18 February 2006 04:10 PM   [ # 4 ]  
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I’d use Airwolf.  That chopper could shoot down anything.  smile

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Posted: 18 February 2006 05:15 PM   [ # 5 ]  
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How about a Warthog??  I’m just thinkin’ outside the box.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 05:18 PM   [ # 6 ]  
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Perhaps an F-22. One of the most advanced fighters of the modern designs, and probably the closest to bringing down a veritech. I would say F-14, but after seeing how easily a Variable Fighter took down three of them, I highly doubt that they would last a long time.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 05:42 PM   [ # 7 ]  
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From the 80’s T.V. show.

Has the Gattling gun of a Warthog, and it’s a chopper, so it’s a lot more maneuverable. 

Hiding behind City Sky Scrapers, dooing hit and run attacks.

Probably would get killed eventually, but we’re fantasising here, right? B-)

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Posted: 18 February 2006 08:46 PM   [ # 8 ]  
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I disagree Pieter.  AIM-54 has demonstrated the ability to kill a 9-G target on multiple occasions with meaneuvers in excess of 30 Gs.

AMRAAM is more of a replacement for AIM-7 “Sparrow” (which sucked) than for AIM-54.  AIM-54 fell victim to a mission that no longer exists and to the fact that no other fighter can carry it.

AMRAAM is an wesome missile at least potentially.  The jury is still out.

That being said I would NEVER take a conventional fighter against a Valk.  If the Valk got into a close-in fight you would die VERY fast.

However…  My order of preference:

SU-37
SU-27
F-22

The ability to fly in the post-stall region is probably your only hope for a snapshot on a Valk in close.  You can’t outturn him, accelerate him, or run.  If he gets inside your missile envelope and you don’t kill him you are more than likely dead meat.

The Stealth aspects of the F-22 could provide an element of surprise as well, but it can’t maneuver likr the Sukhois can.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 09:17 PM   [ # 9 ]  
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........is totally ground support (we grunts loved thosed guys). If you needed to fire on an enemy aircraft with one, something has gone very, very wrong. 

  Skull , what target manuevers at 30 g’s?? Even for a second???Not that Im a missile expert or anything, but I dont think Ive ever heard of a weapon system that can manuever at 30 g’s to hit a target. The Phoenix is nice, but I doubt its THAT nice.

  The reason why not other fighter carried it was that it was go danged expencive. An F-15 , if they want to couldve been made to carry the electroics suites neccesary to use it and its tracking capability. The ability to knock down an aircraft at 105 nm is an awesome possibilty. Imagine a B-52 retoed’ to carry a bunch of them!! Who needs a veritech to fire 50 missiles a time!!!!!!! 

  I dont think the Valk was tremendously fast, I think they peaked out at F-15 speeds, Mach 2.5 or the where abouts ( I dont know ow they escpaed into Earth orbit). And in fighter mode were they really that maneuverable? They were an overly stable design aerodynamically, unlike say , the F-16 which used its more or less instabilty to turn better (makes no sence, but its true). The Valks claim to fame is its flexability to fight in more than one terrain well. Im not saying it was a pig, but as opposed to a design thats only purpose is to engage other interceptors , it might have had some problems. In missile world if youre being chased by a missile youre in real trouble, no matter how good a turner you are. Those missiles the Valk carried probably didnt have half the damage yeild as , say an AMRAM. But now , Im getting WAY too technical…..

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Posted: 18 February 2006 11:46 PM   [ # 10 ]  
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I’d say the F-22 Raptor. It’s a stealth fighter, and also pretty quick and nimble. As of right now it’s the most advanced fighter jet to date.
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Posted: 18 February 2006 11:49 PM   [ # 11 ]  
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The target pulled 9 Gs to avoid the AIM-54.  The 54 pulled 30 Gs nd scored.  It is extremely difficult to evade a missile of any kind.  “The best way to defeat a missile is before it leaves the rail.”

the Phoenix ws designed to protect the Battle Group before an enemy could fire cruise missiles at it.  Due to the finite resources on a ship the ability to have a long-range missile was more important to the fleet defense role than to anything the F-15 does.


The F-15 doesn’t carry Phoenix because the F-15 doesn’t NEED it.  Never did.  Never will.


The Valk is superior by far to anything that exists today because:

- It has a Mach 4 + capability.

- It has a thrust to weight ratio of nearly 4:1

- It has unlimited (nearly) thrust vectoring capability.

- It has unlimited range in atmosphere

- It can shoot an enemy from any angle at any angle to any angle.

In short, it can sustain energy indefinitely…gain it quickly…dump it quickly…  Point its weapons anywhere in the sky at a moment’s notice…  It can turn you into the ground… Run you out of gas…  Hose you from stem to stern…  Dash away from your missiles after you fire them from extreme range (and extend far enough fast enough)to the point they will run out of gas before they run you down… 


The thing is a monster.

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Posted: 18 February 2006 11:59 PM   [ # 12 ]  
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You’ve never seen the Su-37 airshow have you?  That thing can do things that would make a Raptor pilot’s eyes water.

The stealth features are a plus but it is not “super-maneuverable” like that Sukhoi.


The Valk may be stable but there are some very incredibly stable airplanes that maneuver in ways that would also water your eyes—and do so WITHOUT computer/fly-by-wire control systems.

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Posted: 19 February 2006 12:03 AM   [ # 13 ]  
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  I dont think the Valks ran off of Protoculture.. I think it still used fuel. I think the Alphas and Betas were the first VT’s to use protocultre. So it doesnt have unlimited range. It would be a great machine, but I think your drooling too much at it…...not to put it or you down or anything….

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Posted: 19 February 2006 12:13 AM   [ # 14 ]  
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The engines are fusion reactors…  With a reactor driving the fan and heating the air it doesn’t need fuel/reaction mass in an atmosphere.  The air does the work.


I am drooling over the Valk because the thing is incredible.

Find the Su-37 air show video and triple it: that’s the Valk!

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Posted: 19 February 2006 12:28 AM   [ # 15 ]  
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The reactor does the work I mean.  Air is the reaction mass for a fusion turbine…

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